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How Not to Summon a Demon Lord (Discussion) – Fingerbang the Cat Loli, Save the World!

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I hope you remember our last discussion post – Parallel Paradise (Discussion) – You can’t go back once you’ve Gone There! with Dewbond from the Shallow Dives in Anime blog. It was a lot of fun, so let’s do it again. This time we’ll be talking about the Summer 2018 surprise hit How Not to Summon a Demon Lord. As this is a discussion post, it’s best viewed directly on our website – Click Here! Now, let’s get down to business.

Lynn

Hey, Dewbond. Glad to have you back. Not only do you have the fortune of being the first guest blogger on EcchiHunter.com, but you’re also the first return guest blogger.

Anyhow, I understand you’d like to talk about How Not to Summon a Demon Lord. If this discussion is anything like the last one, we’ll have plenty to talk about, so how about we start with your initial thoughts on the series.


Dewbond

You call, and I answer. I’m happy to be back to talk about what was probably the surprise hit of 2018, and my ecchi title of the year, narrowly beating out the fourth season of High School DxD. So it can be safe to say that I have a lot of great things to say about the show.


Lynn

Yeah, it looked like a title I was going to love and thankfully it was. It ironically aired at the same time as another series I thought I would love but didn’t… I’m talking about you Ulysses: Jeanne d’Arc and the Alchemist Knight! But enough about that dumpster fire.

One of the things that surprised me with this series was that it wasn’t just the usual ecchi fans that enjoyed it. Any thoughts on why it appealed to more than just us?


Dewbond

Hey, it wasn’t My Sister My Writer, which was even worse.


Lynn

I didn’t see that one, but that can’t be possible.


Dewbond

Quite possible. Go watch it, try to get through the horrible animation, animation so bad that said animators had to put help signs in the credits. Ulysses has it’s problems in pacing (oh the pacing) but it at least looked good. My Sister, My Writer was just…ugh.

Anyway, Demon Lord I think got a lot of audience goodwill, especially from non-ecchi fans because of a few reasons. It straight up owns its premise and everything from the art, voice acting, animation and music had love and effort put into it. It was very clear to me, and I mentioned it in my review at the time, that everyone showed up to play for Demon Lord.

I also think that while Demon Lord is an ecchi, it wasn’t a “pure ecchi” and there was a sense of humor and love that I think most people took too quite easily. It was probably last years “This is trash, and I love it” anime, and a guilty pleasure for many fans who often turn their nose up at the genre. What was your view on it?

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord Diablo

Lynn

I’d agree that the visuals and sounds were good. It definitely had a polished feel as if they were taking it seriously which is nice. However, the thing that did it was as you said – the humor. Demon Lord was funny. I don’t think there’s any denying that.

I particularly enjoyed Diablo’s inner conflict with trying to maintain an imposing manner with his fake confidence while inside he was the scared shut-in that had never seen boobs, let alone had to share a bed with two girls.


Dewbond

The main lead Diablo is one of the key points in why the show succeeds, but another reason is that Demon Lord represents the best of “classic Isekai” polished to an absolute mirror shine. Before I go into that in depth Lynn, tell me, what are your opinions on the Isekai genre of late?


Lynn

I’m a big fan of Isekai in general. The idea of being whisked away to a fantasy world is pretty exciting. There have been some great titles like Grimgar: Ashes and Illusions and then there have been some stinkers like The Master of Ragnarok & Blesser of Einherjar.

People seem to focus on the bad ones as a way to discredit the genre which is stupid, there are bad titles in every genre. I think its current craze has rubbed some the wrong way. Did you know there are four separate Isekai titles this coming season?


Dewbond

I’ve heard, and they seem to run the gambit of decent to decently interesting. All my money is in “Do you Love your Mom and her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks?” or “Isekai Milf” which is probably ecchi’s great big hope this year.

But I bring the Isekai genre up, because How not to Summon a Demon Lord is at its heart, a true blue, dyed in the wool, 100% generic Isekai story. It has all the story beats you expect: the shut-in NEET gamer, the instant transformation into an overpowered god, the generic fantasy world, and the harem of busty beautiful girls.

There is nothing in Demon Lord that sets it apart from other better (or worse) Isekai stories, but what made it work, what still makes it work is that it polishes EVERYTHING I said to a mirror shine. There is just so much love and effort in every corner of Demon’s lord production and it shows. This wasn’t a show they just tossed out to help sell the light novels, there was a clear passion behind this project and I think that really got people on board with it.


Lynn

Agreed. Sometimes the best stories are ones that do the simple things well. I also loved the dynamic between Shera and Rem. That certainly made them more interesting. It was clear that they worked together to solve a problem, all be it not too well, but other than that they had no connection. It was nice watching them become friends too, rather than everyone focusing on the guy.

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord Shera And Rem

Dewbond

Indeed, Shera and Rem are great characters, but let’s talk about Diablo for a little bit. While he isn’t anything new in terms of an Isekai main character, I loved how they used the gimmick of his social anxiety made him stand out from others in the genre. Having to roleplay the edge lord version of his character because he can’t even say words to his female companions makes for some great comedy, especially in the English dub where Eric Vale’s performance was a star-turn for the actor. I don’t think I had ever seen him in a harem/ecchi.


Lynn

I’m pretty sure Eric Vale did the main character in Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero and of course, he’s also Sanji in One Piece, but agreed, I thought he was excellent as Diablo and I loved the social anxiety and how it forced him to play more of the Demon Lord character. Having him waking up with Shera and Rem was hilarious, especially watching the panic as he slowly realized where he was and what he was touching.

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord Diablo Waking Up With Rem And Shera

Dewbond

Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero is done by the same guy who did….THAT show, but moving on from that rage-inducing topic, Diablo was a great character from start to finish and even when the show tried to get serious with him, they still kept him true to form.

I also liked how in terms of his relationship with Rem and Shera, he almost instantly wants to get the slave collars off of them, and even after that doesn’t work, he tries his best to treat Shera and Rem right and their relationship was heartwarming and cute, you actually can see that these characters are all friends which is something that you don’t see often in harem shows.


Lynn

Yes. I thought the quest to remove the collars was the right move for the show. It’s a shame he wasn’t able to because it would have been nice to see them decide to stay with him regardless of the collars, which they kind of did anyway, but removing the collars would have made that crystal clear.


Dewbond

People weren’t happy about the slave angle, but it mostly serves as a plot point to push Diablo, Shera and Rem together and keep them together throughout the story. Later with Klem (oh man Klem), it comes into focus, but it is clear that this is just how their little family copes with everything and it makes sense. Again it shows that polish that brings Demon Lord so much success. It takes time building its world and establishing it’s characters and systems. They deal with the slave collars, try to fix it, fail and then just find a way to live with it.


Lynn

I’ve seen complaints that the three of them and some of the ecchi elements seemed forced, which given the nature of their union I can understand where they’re coming from, however, I never felt like the interactions between them were particularly forced. How would you respond to such criticism?

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord Diablo With Rem And Shera

Dewbond

I don’t think it is forced at all if I am being honest. The show marketed itself as an ecchi and, let’s be real here, Demon Lord is actually very tame compared to other shows in the genre. There isn’t a nipple to be seen, and the ecchi often comes from after battle gags and character development. If anything, Demon Lord was able to balance it’s ecchi almost perfectly. It had just enough that it didn’t seem overblown, or wanting. Though the Rem scene around the end is still legendary.


Lynn

Ah, yes. The Rem scene… But then even with that one, we’d had a precursor of what sort of things would happen from when Diablo tried to break Shera’s slave collar. I can still picture the slaver now… Anyhow, agreed the balance is another of the elements that helped this series gain a following outside of the usual ecchi corner of the anime world. All right, is it time to talk about the girls yet, or do you have something else in mind?


Dewbond

Nope, I think it is high time to get into the ‘meat’ of the discussion. Let’s get to the ladies!

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord Shera

Lynn

It’s funny you say ‘meat’ because that was how I described Demon Lord. It’s like Overlord but with more meat on the bones… much more meat! So, yeah. Here’s the big question… are you team Shera or team Rem? I feel like you’re a Rem kind of guy!


Dewbond

Honestly, I’m pretty torn on both, mostly because both their English dub actress play them so well. I like Rem, but honestly, Shera is so bubbly and that I probably lean in her direction. I like how both of them are a sort of fire and water pair, and while that’s been done to death in harem/ecchi, these two mix quite well. I also like that while both of them have the standard “tragic past” it isn’t weighed on too heavily. In fact, Diablo’s first real interaction with Rem pretty much blows that trope out of the water.


Lynn

One of the things I noted when I watched it was the relationship between Shera and Rem. They were both outcasts from their societies and both distrusted the other, yet they had tried to work together to summon a demon lord. The bickering between them was great and then as they grew closer together, that was even better. All that said, I’m on team Shera… of the two of them. There was another who was easily my favorite and that was Edelgard. She was a complete badass.


Dewbond

She was, and I got a soft spot for Klem as well, the adorable 800-year-old cookie obsessed loli. But I am actually glad that they didn’t come into focus until the back third of the anime. It gave more time for Shera and Rem to bond with Diablo and you really do see how these three have a relationship and bond that, despite being an Isekai harem anime, feels extremely real if that makes any sense.

I get why Rem and Shera are falling for Diablo and I get why Diablo wants to stick around with these girls. That is something that a lot of harem and ecchi shows often suffer with. Too often it can feel that the characters are there to check boxes and collect all the tropes. For Demon Lord we just have the two main leads, but they have enough time and effort put into them that it makes up for the lack of numbers.

Plus Shera’s boobs are a force to be reckoned with. That opening theme is bonkers, man.


Lynn

Yeah, I love that opening even without the hypnotic imagery. Shera’s boobs could have their own Gif page. She may even be able to rival the great Shizuka Marikawa from Highschool of the Dead for sheer bounciness… They appear to defy gravity and may even have minds of their own.

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I also agree that the friendship does feel real and unlike a lot of harem series where you spend most of the time questioning why these girls are even interested in the protagonist.


Dewbond

Indeed, and I think that is the best way to really sum up Demon Lord. It’s a show that has a lot of effort, and love put into it, and you can see all of that pay off time and again with just how well the characters are, the story flows, and the ecchi is placed. There was a reason why it (only slightly) edged out High School DxD Hero for my ecchi of the year in 2018.

This is a show that doesn’t do anything new or special, but does everything to the best of its ability and thankfully doesn’t lose steam halfway through, maintaining a level of consistency that other shows (Isekai Slime being notably) weren’t able to do. And that’s all I really have to say, How not to Summon A Demon Lord is just a really fucking great show.


Lynn

Yeah, it definitely managed to keep it up… and I’d agree that Slime ended up all soft and squishy…

Awesome, well thanks for taking the time to have this little chat… hold on… are we really going to end this without talking about the shocker?


Dewbond

Oh yes, I almost forgot about that! How silly of me!


Lynn

Indeed. I’m absolutely certain that I spat out whatever I was drinking at the time. That was a… shocking moment and it also gave us Klem. Then we saw Edelgard and Alicia join Diablo’s harem. If nothing else that should demand a second season. Do you think we’ll get one?


Dewbond

If you told me that Diablo was gonna have to finger bang a cat loli to save her, I would have told you that you were outta your fucking mind. I burst out laughing when I saw the scene and I love how the characters react to it.

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord The Shocker

Lynn

That’s what I call committing to the project from the writers and Diablo. Just you saying it like that, makes it sound unbelievable again even if I know it happened.


Dewbond

Yes, and I am glad they kept it on and played it completely straight. Now in terms of a season 2, I’ve heard mixed things about it. While the Light Novels are selling well, the DVDs didn’t do as good as they expected and that is the catch-all judge on whether or not it gets a second round. I hope it does, there is plenty of story left to tell and Demon Lord was just too well done. I am not holding out hope though, because “waiting for a second season’ when it comes to anime is more high stakes than a poker table. Am I right, No Game, No Life fans?


Lynn

You don’t have to tell us Highschool of the Dead fans about the missing second season, but I do hope we get one. Either way, I’m going to have to check out the Light Novels or the Manga if it has one.


Dewbond

I’m considering trying them out myself, and I have never been a light novel reader, but I think that about wraps things up? Any final thoughts you want to share before we put this to bed?


Lynn

No, I think that’s good. It was nice chatting with you again and I look forward to the next time. For now, I’m going to hunt down a bunch of Shera Gifs. I also think I’m going to have to rewatch Demon Lord and see if the shocker is as shocking the second time around.


Dewbond

Indeed, thanks so much for having me on the blog once again, and I’ll remain waiting for that fateful signal in the sky for when the times comes to discuss THAT show.


Lynn

If you ever see a pair of boob-shaped clouds you’ll know that it’s time. Thanks again.

How Not To Summon A Demon Lord Shera Boobs

So, there you have it. That’s what we thought about How Not to Summon a Demon Lord. I think we covered a lot of the meat of the story. That said, it has raised my interest in the series once more and as a result, I am going to rewatch and review the episodes here. You can expect the first episode this time next week. So, what did you think about How Not to Summon a Demon Lord?

Also don’t forget to check out Dewbond’s blog – Shallow Dives in Anime. Recently, he even put a post up about Bible Black… I know, right!

Thanks for reading.

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